Posts by joey jojo

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

joey jojo

Threats like the one in Leviticus, tap into the fears of members of early civilisations. Famine, attacks by wild animals, natural disasters, disease etc, were real fears, just like they are today, except we understand the cause wasn't angry, displeased spirits.

A society that believed they lived and died at the whim of god(s) bred radical, superstitious behaviour with barbarous punishments, which we have inherited. Those behaviours are hard to shake off.

Something like disfellowshipping is directly related to these early beliefs.

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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

by Kelley959 in

an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

joey jojo

I understand that the passover falls 14 days from the first new moon after the spring equinox.

March 20, 2024: spring equinox

April 8, 2024: First new moon after Spring Equinox

22 April: Passover (+ 14 days from April 8).

Im not an expert so dont take my word for it.

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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

by gavindlt in

https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

new light?.

https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

joey jojo

Regarding re-instating disfellowshipped people,there has been a leak of a 2024 watchtower that discusses the new light from the annual meeting regarding who will be forgiven.

That talk , was it by Splane??- is all about second guessing God's thought process concerning events such as the destruction of Sodom and if anyone will be resurrected, even though god explicitly stated there was no one worth saving, not even, presumably, babies.

This talk, and also the talk about salvation being possible right up until the end, after the great tribulation has started,seems to set the scene for the possibility to change policies around disfellowshipped ones, and disfellowshipping in general.

As others have pointed out, if there is a mass reinstatement event, I doubt apostates will be invited to the party.

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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

by gavindlt in

https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

new light?.

https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

joey jojo

Elmer
I agree Gorb. The GB are just figureheads the way Colonel Sanders was to KFC

77

How would you define RELIGION, and why?

by Fernando in

"judge" rutherford defined or classified all religion as "a snare and a racket" in his books "religion" and "enemies".. after rutherford's death in 1942, his protege, watchtower vice president, and aclu darling, hayden c. covington, in the early 1950's, for reasons of legal expedience and supremacist aspirations, suddenly converted the watchtower into a religion.. this was done alongside one of the most audacious, spurious and longstanding swindles of the us legal system.

this involved twisting philippians 1:7 and misrepresenting the watchtower's true nature, objectives and activities.. .

this meant that it became necessary for the watchtower to suddenly reclassify and redefine religion (w51 1/15 p. 43 new legal booklet well named; w51 8/15 p. 511 questions from readers; yb75 p. 161 part 2 "for gladys bolton...").. two new watchtower classifications were suddenly created: "true religion" and "false religion".. now "true religion" meant "true beliefs" whilst "belief" in ever changing watchtower doctrine was equated with the one "faith" of scripture.. all this while the watchtower increasingly and maliciously truncated, obfuscated and hid the liberating full "good news" (or unabridged gospel) of scripture, which it lyingly claimed (in court) that it was actually "defending and legally establishing".. how would you have defined religion before learning ttatt?.

joey jojo

Religion:

An organisation that offers its members the opportunity to cheat death provided they follow their rules exclusively.

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Zoom replaced with KHCONF+ app for meetings?

by joey jojo in

just heard about khconf+ app replacing zoom for hybrid meetings at kngdom halls.

did a quick search here and didnt find any posts about it.

have i missed something?.

joey jojo

Just heard about KHCONF+ app replacing Zoom for hybrid meetings at kngdom halls. Did a quick search here and didnt find any posts about it. Have I missed something?

Here is a link: https://www.khconf.com/index.php

The app privacy statement indicates that the borg will gather a lot more user data than they could with zoom. https://www.khconf.com/privacy-policy.php

Are KH's adopting this?

Edited: I was using khconf+ in search. I dropped the + and found some info. :)

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A talk about 1975 from 1972

by Nostromo in

everybody knows the famous "stay alive still 75" audio clip but here is a clip from 1972 with english subtitles.

harold mouritz was the branch committee member in finland when he gave this talk.

later he became the coordinator of the australian branch.

joey jojo

Anyone that makes predictions in gods name like this should suffer public humiliation and hang their head in shame when it doesn't come to pass for the rest of their lives.The organisation they represent should be ashamed and at least offer an apology or an explanation.

However, in the borg it doesnt work like that. Viv Moritz was one of the most admired men at the Australian bethel. In the 90's, I remember a bethel friend of mine speaking about him in almost hushed tones of reverence.

As far as 1975 being a notable year, the number one song that year, according to wikipedia was by Captain and Tennille. That says everything about how important 1975 was in the scheme of things.

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The Reasoning Book

by Magnum in

the book reasoning from the scriptures was released in the 1980's, and it was used at virtually every meeting for service, every service meeting, and every theocratic ministry school meeting thereafter.

many jws had copies bound together with their bibles.

it was huge in jw land back then.. at that time, with the reasoning book, jws were trained to keep conversations going in spite of objections, to almost stick their feet in people's doors to keep conversations going, to defend "the truth," to argue doctrine, etc.. compare the situation today with that of the 80's.

joey jojo

The Reasoning Book is an embarrassment to the org. It only made sense because of the old generation teaching and I cant believe it wasnt deleted from the online library years ago.

Regarding the last days it still says (from jw.org):

Last Days
Definition: The Bible uses the expression “last days” to refer to the concluding time period leading up to a divinely appointed execution that marks the end of a system of things. The Jewish system with its worship built around the temple in Jerusalem experienced its last days from 33 to 70 C.E. What occurred then was pictorial of what would be experienced in a greatly intensified way and on a global scale at a time when all nations would be facing the execution of judgment decreed by God. The present wicked system of things, which extends worldwide, entered its last days in 1914, and some of the generation alive then will also be on hand to witness its complete end in the “great tribulation.”

Here is the ridiculous explanation for 'increased' earthquakes:

“There will be great earthquakes” (Luke 21:11)
It is true that there were major quakes in centuries past; furthermore, with their sensitive equipment scientists now detect more than a million quakes a year. But no special instruments are needed for people to know when there is a great earthquake.
Has there actually been a significant number of major earthquakes since 1914? With data obtained from the National Geophysical Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, supplemented by a number of standard reference works, a tabulation was made in 1984 that included only earthquakes that measured 7.5 or more on the Richter scale, or that resulted in destruction of five million dollars (U.S.) or more in property, or that caused 100 or more deaths. It was calculated that there had been 856 of such earthquakes during the 2,000 years before 1914. The same tabulation showed that in just 69 years following 1914 there were 605 of such quakes. That means that, in comparison with the previous 2,000 years, the average per year has been 20 times as great since 1914.

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The Next Big Thing In WT World

by NotFormer in

things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

joey jojo

scholar
Jeffro
They simply have too much vested in 1914 to drop it altogether. (Though if they did, it would be very amusing watching ‘scholar’ bleat about how 607 was actually wrong all along.)
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Only in your dreams. Such a change is highly improbable especially when WT critics cannot provide a single line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE!!!
scholar JW

I still say Scholar is trolling us.

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The Next Big Thing In WT World

by NotFormer in

things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

joey jojo

My money is on another change to 1914. This year felt like table-setting in preparation for it.